Losing the fire

[Koji™]

That's alot of shrimplets. The thing is that fire red is also a cherry and not all shrimplets produced will look like their parents. I notice only a small amount will look like their parents....

Originally Posted by Koji™

That's alot of shrimplets. .

OK, that is partly my fault. I was too lazy and complacent over the one year and lost touch with the ground in my tank. I should have paid more attention in growing the "fire elite" shrimp and carefully choose the cream of the crops there to produce the best FIRE RED. Instead, I allow the influx of less quality shrimps to breed further in my limited tank space. Sometime it does pain me to see them fighting for foods. Now it looks like MRT during peak hour...hmmm.

But I do enjoy looking at them during feeding time though I have to sacrifice 9 out of 10 tetras without knowing where they are, not even their skeletons...

U mean u have tetra in that tank before?

Originally Posted by Bluebubble

OK, that is partly my fault. I was too lazy and complacent over the one year and lost touch with the ground in my tank. I should have paid more attention in growing the "fire elite" shrimp and carefully choose the cream of the crops there to produce the best FIRE RED. Instead, I allow the influx of less quality shrimps to breed further in my limited tank space. Sometime it does pain me to see them fighting for foods. Now it looks like MRT during peak hour...hmmm.

But I do enjoy looking at them during feeding time though I have to sacrifice 9 out of 10 tetras without knowing where they are, not even their skeletons...

the mrt peak hour make me laugh... lol

Originally Posted by Koji™

That's alot of shrimplets. The thing is that fire red is also a cherry and not all shrimplets produced will look like their parents. I notice only a small amount will look like their parents....

Yes, I used to have 10 Neon Tetra, 6 nitrite snails, 1 otto when I first started with 15 Fire Red.

After I added 5 Rasboras, all my Neon Tetra went into hiding and I didn't check on them until only 1 is left.

[silane]

Originally Posted by Bluebubble

This is my Fire-Red only tank. No other shrimps. 1st generation of shrimp is darker and more intensed in color. 2nd generations onwards are so orangey.. the shrimplets also have the orange colors when they were little. Now I wonder whether they are truely fire red in the market. Should have kept sakura.

There is quite a bit of know-how to produce Fire red.

Not all offspring of Fire Red are fire red quality. Dont doubt if there is truely fire red in the market just because you cant breed them true.

Hi Bluebubble,
Those are beautiful plants and outstanding work reproducing the shrimp in such a large amount.
I just want to say a couple things I have noticed in my limited shrimp breeding and crayfish breeding.
I have bred cherry's, tigers, red tigers, and bumble bees although my experience with them is much less than many of the keepers on here. I have notice that if there is a problem with your water quality, eg. nitrite, ph. hardness, the shrimp will not reproduce. You may get females carrying eggs that bred before the water problem, but the young will not survive and many times the carrying female will be lost.
I observe this same condition with my crays. Water problems cause them not to breed and also have bad molts resulting in death. They will even stop eating.
Because your shrimp are reproducing on a mass scale and fighting over food, I would reason that your water quality is good.
I also judge this because your plants also show tremendous growth and health.

In my breedings I have found that to keep a certain color strain/genetics going.
I have to remove several of the color carrying animals to a separate tank/enclosure and let them breed out.
Because they have been in with normals or lesser colored animals, the young of these first eggs are either separated again and raised or put back in the main tank.
Now that the females are clear from unwanted matings, I mate them again for color. All the young from these matings are raised and the best are separated for breeding and the others are put back in the main tank.
By doing this, I will have a full colony of breeding stock as well as plenty of offspring to trade or sell.

Outbreeding them will cause color loss from mixed gene pool.
Keep only the desired color trait together to maintain gene pool.
It is also helpful to trade same color types to other keepers to maintain bloodline strength by outcrossing with the same color types.
You cannot buy them from the same supplier, chances are that they are coming from a large farm that maintains no genetic lines.
They net a huge amount and sell them acording to color as they are hand seperated into different containers.
That is how large farm suppliers do it with fish and inverts.
Best of luck with them, although it looks like you are doing great already

Originally Posted by silane

There is quite a bit of know-how to produce Fire red.

Not all offspring of Fire Red are fire red quality. Dont doubt if there is truely fire red in the market just because you cant breed them true.

You are probably right, I am not a specialty in this field to breed a true fire. Besides, given the same water "parameter", some FIRE did come true though not all of them....hmmm

Originally Posted by slowhand35

Hi Bluebubble,
Those are beautiful plants and outstanding work reproducing the shrimp in such a large amount.....

Wow! Thanks for that lengthy advice. I will take heed if I have additional tank to play with..

[silane]

Originally Posted by Bluebubble

You are probably right, I am not a specialty in this field to breed a true fire. Besides, given the same water "parameter", some FIRE did come true though not all of them....hmmm

they have to breed in 10 of thousand then can get a subtainiate number of good quality fire red. If you want to breed Fire red, you have to do selective breeding and breed more.