The Great Masheer Journal - VII

[Ong88]

Originally Posted by redbasser

In the wild very difficult to find liao.

If can get 1 already the feeling is like super shiok.

Where you managed to find 6 pcs?
The reds looks good, green or blue looks a bit skinny. (imho)

Fishing lobang got me these wc red kelah bara. A camping trip can be arranged Kacey

The "blues" from farm are actually normal red kelahs that have no red fins

Got four other wc red bara juvs, two have their fins turned dark & look like blues now. Will be doing wtt to see if they change back to red tone.

Have also about 30 wc bara fingerlings, shall see how they turn out next year.

Mr Ong, is that a 8ft tank?
Do you also find them very sensitive to PH especially after heavy feeding with symptoms of reddish tail and some more sensitive ones getting slight tail burn?

I have a 4ft tank using a 5000l per hour circulation in a 3 ft sump.
Sump is almost max on wool on first compartment, half on bio on second compartment and 3/4 on CC in last compartment.

I also add in a powerhead just to circulate the main tank internal water flow. Quite kiasu already but the discharge from the fish will easily require me to WC at least once a week. If i have more off days i do twice but will be siong to keep up the regime of twice a week.

What's you water maintenace regime like. Does putting sandbed cause more danger for accumulation of debris (e.g ammonia spike and ph fluctuation) in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Ong88

Water cloudy as just fed bananas

I'm seeing banana splits every where in Mr Ong tank.
Any reason why bananas or bananas more than other types of fruits?

Originally Posted by CM09

Thanks for the explaination.
Market Prawns?!
Does anyone ever keep this before？

Market Prawns are bought in market for makan use. I usually keep them in my tummy

[sebarau]

Originally Posted by FishyAmazon

Mr Ong, is that a 8ft tank?
Do you also find them very sensitive to PH especially after heavy feeding with symptoms of reddish tail and some more sensitive ones getting slight tail burn?

I have a 4ft tank using a 5000l per hour circulation in a 3 ft sump.
Sump is almost max on wool on first compartment, half on bio on second compartment and 3/4 on CC in last compartment.

I also add in a powerhead just to circulate the main tank internal water flow. Quite kiasu already but the discharge from the fish will easily require me to WC at least once a week. If i have more off days i do twice but will be siong to keep up the regime of twice a week.

What's you water maintenace regime like. Does putting sandbed cause more danger for accumulation of debris (e.g ammonia spike and ph fluctuation) in your opinion?

with my overloaded 8 footer FGT ..9 adult stingrays, i do not observe the same symptom may be due to my PH reading seems to be stable. with 2 tunze 6045 to provide the internal flow. the two kelah that i have is approx 15 inches..lost 1 about same size last year due to kena stung by one of the ray. waiting for 1 pc of 10 incher WC from supplier. reported collected from pahang Tembeling tributaries..

[sebarau]

Originally Posted by FishyAmazon

I'm seeing banana splits every where in Mr Ong tank.
Any reason why bananas or bananas more than other types of fruits?

you can give them kangkung, tapioca shoot, palm oild seed, banana, tapioca, what else.. i heard the tembeling kelah do take green apple..hehehe dunno true or not..

[Ong88]

6' tank, 4' sump.
Sand is ok. Kelahs are like kois/carps & forage the ground.

WC 30-70% every wednesday & sunday. Water conditioner double dose with baxter 3in1 & pet frans ultimate coat.

Your red veined fins are nitrite/ammonia poisoning.
please decrease bioload or feeding volumes.

Originally Posted by FishyAmazon

I'm seeing banana splits every where in Mr Ong tank.
Any reason why bananas or bananas more than other types of fruits?

Bananas & papayas cheaper & masheable.
Main diet mp.

[Ong88]

I find sand helpful to maintain water clarity.
Thin layer below 1" has little danger of anaerobic toxins.


Thicker sandbed above 3" is best left undisturbed in sump rather than main tank. Hydrogen sulphide & nitrite poisoning is common.

Originally Posted by Ong88

6' tank, 4' sump.
Sand is ok. Kelahs are like kois/carps & forage the ground.

WC 30-70% every wednesday & sunday. Water conditioner double dose with baxter 3in1 & pet frans ultimate coat.

Your red veined fins are nitrite/ammonia poisoning.
please decrease bioload or feeding volumes.



Bananas & papayas cheaper & masheable.
Main diet mp.

Initially I thought it was ammonia or
nitrite problem. But almost 2 years tank. I tested for
both at zero ppm recently. Thanks anyway. I'll test it again tonight

it's not an often thing, just something I
noted whenever their is heavy feeding. Maybe I should try twice weekly WC regime - there goes more of my time.

Originally Posted by Ong88

Fishing lobang got me these wc red kelah bara. A camping trip can be arranged Kacey

The "blues" from farm are actually normal red kelahs that have no red fins

Got four other wc red bara juvs, two have their fins turned dark & look like blues now. Will be doing wtt to see if they change back to red tone.

Have also about 30 wc bara fingerlings, shall see how they turn out next year.

The ones i got are wc from trengganu region and kelantan. First come was red fins, after that turn pale, then some turn dark coloured fins while others turn bluish. It's a strange world of kelah genes.

WTT got help? Interesting... i thought that is for juv aros. How about black water treatment for kelahs? game to try?