What is a Black Diamond Leopoldi?

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Originally Posted by hyde

to what i see to be qualified as a p62 saofelix black diamond gotta have certain requirements, just like what Mark listed out on his personal view.As for me i feel the outer full skirting must be there, i'm sure any lower grade bds will surely have some bellyspotting as compared to a normal leos, definately can see a difference.

sad to tell you,i hv seen super spotted top quality bd wc in recent 1-2 years import hv zero spotting underside.infact,those underside are super white,as white as a piece of clean white paper which normal leo is just dull colour!
hmm......i am lost

[Shadow7]

I agree on pt no2, to me the disk edge spots is the most impt and that is what defines a BD from a normal leo for me and i have own before some nice BDs with no belly spottings.

[ap99]

i have 3 pairs of bd form mark but only 4 of them have bellyspot,... so some guys start saying those
without underspoting is not pure so what can i say,....

even my own breeded bd pups also no spoting for the first few months lah,...
parent ray both have underbelly spot leh papa ray full spoting leh
hahaha like that my bd maybe not pure ar

Originally Posted by ap99

i have 3 pairs of bd form mark but only 4 of them have bellyspot,... so some guys start saying those
without underspoting is not pure so what can i say,....

even my own breeded bd pups also no spoting for the first few months lah,...
parent ray both have underbelly spot leh papa ray full spoting leh
hahaha like that my bd maybe not pure ar

I noticed that also Dennis.... 2 of yours are without belly spotting... one of them, the top is almost full eclispe at 6 inches liew.... .... in short ....belly spotting on BD is a plus point....

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Originally Posted by ap99

i have 3 pairs of bd form mark but only 4 of them have bellyspot,... so some guys start saying those
without underspoting is not pure so what can i say,....

even my own breeded bd pups also no spoting for the first few months lah,...
parent ray both have underbelly spot leh papa ray full spoting leh
hahaha like that my bd maybe not pure ar

bro,can i check with you,the other two without underspot,if you look closely,comparing only top spots with those with underspots,...is it the two hv brighter and whiter top spots than those with underspots??
sorry if i sound a bit confusing

[cavallino]

I guess the jury is still out regarding belly spotting, because many of us have seen awesome looking BDs without belly spotting, while some bdhen or bdleo would have.

the quality and intensity of the BD's black and white contrast must also take into account its environment and whether it is stressed. I have seen BDs that are as yellow as henleis when they get off a plane and can take 2- 3 months for their colour to come back.

but the awesome thing is once the colour comes back, try putting the blackest/whitest leo next to the bd, and the leo will still look a shade poorer.

I've never seen blue blue eyes though.

For some a BD must have all 5 points given, for me the bellyspotting is least important because I have seen the most awesome BD on the top have no bellyspotting. But breed it and the pups may have bellyspotting. Even with pups from the same litter, one has it the other doesn't.
Look at p14, I have seen few wildcaught animals with spotting on the belly, but their offspring have it. Nature has it's crazy ways.

I have metioned the blue-grey eyes with white stars in the past due to the Gro Lux lighting above my tank.

Wild caught specimens do come in with yellow dots and after being kept in captivity for a while they turn white, but not all. Some look a bit more like Henleis, darkbrown with creamy spots.

Food and natural surroundings also play a big role, I have been told that when you stop feeding shrimo that contains carotene the spots get whiter. Also I think the riversurface could influece coloring, is it mud, rotting leaves or stones.

[RELAX]

let me explain what is the so called blue eye criteria,
blue eye originate from taiwan.my taiwan friends mentioned that bec bd hv many many white spotting around their eyes area and those white spotting actually must went beyond and into the eye ball as well.the lens colour of all ray are the same,however bec of those small white spotting that grow into bd eyeballs,from certain angle,we actually see bluish reflection.

in short ppl nowadays call blue eyes as diamond eyes to make it sound more expensive.
but some higher grade leo hv diamond eyes too.
infact when leo or bd at pup stage,this is one important criteria to look out for.

happy ray keeping

Is Black Diamond a valid species/variant or a hybrid? Thanks.

[ap99]

Originally Posted by RELAX

bro,can i check with you,the other two without underspot,if you look closely,comparing only top spots with those with underspots,...is it the two hv brighter and whiter top spots than those with underspots??
sorry if i sound a bit confusing

haha bro poh,..its the age of the pups lah the smaller ones that is without bellyspot,...
but some really dont have underbelly spot even went grow up,..
and to say its of lower grade bd i disagree cus it can turn out
nicer than those of so call full bellyspot