The Great Masheer Journal - VII

Thanks for sharing! They are pretty!

[bro*1043]

Found a pic on the net when I google Tor Tambroides & Tor Douronensis.

Originally Posted by bro*1043

Found a pic on the net when I google Tor Tambroides & Tor Douronensis.

Interesting diagram.

Is Douronensis the supposed Copper Mahseer?

[bro*1043]

Originally Posted by AU_Arowana-RG

Is Douronensis the supposed Copper Mahseer?

Not sure, they still cat these 2 under the name kelah, semah, empurau and pelian.

To what I know empurau usually comes from Sabah and Sarawak side.

Originally Posted by bro*1043

Not sure, they still cat these 2 under the name kelah, semah, empurau and pelian.

To what I know empurau usually comes from Sabah and Sarawak side.

I see. So do those names only apply to Douronensis or do they also apply to other Tor species?

Am trying to learn as much as I can with regards to Mahseer and their regional names. Trying to compile info on Mahseer as a whole.

[bro*1043]

Originally Posted by AU_Arowana-RG

I see. So do those names only apply to Douronensis or do they also apply to other Tor species?
Am trying to learn as much as I can with regards to Mahseer and their regional names.

They do generally call all masheers kelah, semah, empurau and pelian.
Maybe you can try do a search on " Tor Tambroides " at Google and scroll down and click on the first pdf doc. The study was done by 2 local Malaysian Uni, I got my info from there. Hope it helps.

Thanks for the info. Certainly helps.
I have the Indon mahseer that was supposedly named as Copper mahseer but the common name 'copper mahseer' was also used frequently to identify with tengahs (which also happen to have a another common name green kelah).

The Indon Mahseer i got has dark brownish colouration, almost like chocolate colour.

Duronesis is darker with higher/thicker back and black to dark-navy bluish finnage. Most distinct difference is the nose and cheek having faint navy blue colouration for adult specimens that i've seen. This fish needs to be enjoyed at bigger size as the black colouration pans out showing the navy blue colouration.

Originally Posted by bro*1043

Just to share with you guys. I was looking at my fishes the other day and notice the Tor Tambroides in my tank looks different. Total there are 3 of them, 1pc from LFS and the other 2 WC.
Went on the net to search some info about them and found that they are actually different ( Tor Tambroides & Tor Douronensis ).

What makes me think that they're different ( see pics attached ) after looking hard enough is the scales part.

1st Pic is the Tor Tambroides ( Red Kelah ).
2nd Pic is the Tor Douronensis ( Sold to me as Kelah Bara ).

Scales near the tail part for both of them have different shape ( most obvious ).
From the net, it also stated that the T.Douronensis have a shorter median lobe than the T. Tambroides.

The Douronesis you got looks like another red kelah. Could this be another variant of Red Kelah instead? A malaysian seller once told me that there are Kelah Merah and Kelah Bara - both are red kelahs of a different sub-species.

[bro*1043]

Originally Posted by FishyAmazon

Could this be another variant of Red Kelah instead? A malaysian seller once told me that there are Kelah Merah and Kelah Bara

That's what I'm trying to find out.
Tor tambroides = kelah merah
What about kelah bara ? Tembat? Are they considered Tor tambroides too?

Then I know which pc is the T.douronensis in my tank. It's the smallest of the pack, shorter nose and slightly longer fins.

Originally Posted by bro*1043

That's what I'm trying to find out.
Tor tambroides = kelah merah
What about kelah bara ? Tembat? Are they considered Tor tambroides too?

Then I know which pc is the T.douronensis in my tank. It's the smallest of the pack, shorter nose and slightly longer fins.

First of all, I agree with FA's opinion, yours are definetly not T. douronensis.
Here's my passed away T. douronensis :

YouTube Video

And both Kelah merah, barra and Tembat are in genus of T. tambroides.