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View Poll Results: What shrimp is this?
Crystal Red Shrimp 23 63.89%
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Old 30-05-2008, 04:52 PM   #11
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hard to tell if its the golden genes which high grade crs throw back or its really white from the pic. if its really white then its a very valuable piece
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Old 30-05-2008, 10:17 PM   #12
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Super high grade mosura?
It's a mosura for sure.... not a snow white, it has red.

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This is a grade above SSS.. The King of Mosura, grade SSSS??

Bro Silane, is this the off spring of your hard work and a new line from Japan/Germany?

Is this line stablised yet or their off spring will not be the same?
For such pattern, once in a while will have one or 2 pop out in high grade pattern tanks. I dont expect to have too many offspring will look like this, so I would say, the line is not stable.

This is not from Germany, I think, they are still quite a distance behind me. Ha, not sure if any German is reading this.

It is from Jap's Pattern Line. Now in Japan, there is a split of in Pattern Line, which is commonly what we have, going for patterns and Pure Red line, which go for color, and pattern is secondary. For now, Pure Red line compare with Pattern Line, for the same 'pattern", the Pure Red Line is a few times more then normal line.

Pattern Line, has the end, if a CRS has reached such pattern, I think there is no much room for further improvement.

So now come the PRL in Japan and Taiwan, the current highest PRL pattern is crown mosura with some dots on side of the head, have not see "flowerhead" yet. PRL is cheered by some experts in Japan and more and more hobbyists want PRL. It is a pay off to those hard core breeders who refused to purposely use golden or snow white in crossing to achieve the pattern. Some previously famous breeders are out of the game, as they didn't have the foresight to use pure red and was shortcutting with golden genes.

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Old 30-05-2008, 10:18 PM   #13
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I think crs, as saw some line at the head, very nice quality.
See the attachment it is smiling to you.


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wow super grade...must be costly lor...
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$Money$ Shrimp
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I tink it is a Superrrrrrrrr chio high end crs..... the kind tat cost a bomb....

Priceless to me.

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High Grade. Very nice
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bro nice shrimp there
Thank bros.

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Half snow white half red.
It's a little more white then red.
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Old 30-05-2008, 11:01 PM   #14
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One word- Superb.
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Old 30-05-2008, 11:55 PM   #15
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Thank Bro.
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Old 30-05-2008, 11:59 PM   #16
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Impressive shrimp.
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Old 31-05-2008, 02:44 AM   #17
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Hi Bro Silane, do you able to explain in more detail what do you mean by PRL, thanks.
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Old 31-05-2008, 01:26 PM   #18
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silane : are you also doing this line ?
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Old 31-05-2008, 04:57 PM   #19
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Hi Bro Silane, do you able to explain in more detail what do you mean by PRL, thanks.
It was in early 2006, golden crs or at that time, it maybe called Bone CRS was made available to breeders. Breaking up coverage ones are called Bone CRS, better coverage ones are called golden crs. Some breeders were trying to make the best looking and whitest golden, they are called Snow White. Snow White didn't go far, as it is not supported by famous breeders, these famous breeders consider use of golden or snow to be unorthodox and shortcutting for pattern development.

However, snow white or golden CRS appears as offspring the breeding stock grade gets better, one can get some golden CRS from the offsprings of hino or mosura, you won't be able to tell whether it is purposely crossing or due to "blood to thick" by now. The chances of golden CRS appear is higher in higher grade ends. Another group of breeder is profiting from golden CRS crossing with CRS to make better pattern CRS. The general consensus is color of offsprings is not as good as those without crossing. I did a survey in my blog:

From your experience, what you think of red bee shrimps which have golden/snow white genes?

A) On the whole, most of their color is not as superior as pure strain Red Bee Shrimp. = 76.5% chose this.

B) On the whole, most of their color is as superior as pure strain Red Bee Shrimp. = 23.5% chose this.


Pro breeders knew this fact long ago, and they knew that Pattern Line develop will come to and end when there is little red left on a CRS. Some has foreseen the need to develop color and do not place emphasis on pattern. As early as 5 years ago, some has picked the best color pieces to breed together (no matter what pattern or grade) while they have tanks to breed for best pattern.

The color line development were using only red CRS to breed and thus this line can be called Pure Red Line. Coincidentally or not, the color line development tank has not bring out golden CRS but pattern development tank is able to breed out golden crs, without intended introduction of golden genes.

Pure Red Line is able to breed out a much higher percentage of deep red CRS, their pattern is not as great as the pattern (normal one) line. Hence for the same pattern, a PRL CRS price is about 5X the normal line CRS.

A famous Hakata PRL breeder, you can consider him as the forefather of PRL, when other are pursuing the pattern, he has developed his own deep red line. Not too long ago, mosura with crown pattern (if i dont remmeber the pattern wrongly) was sold at $S3500 and a hinomaru at $S1000+, all the currency units are in Singapore dollars, not yen. You can see how well PRL is received in Japan. Same situation in Taiwan, among the pro breeders, the color camp has beat the patten camp. But there are still large number of breeders in Japan and Taiwan mass breeding with pattern line, some find it hard to switch, as pattern line require a bit more skills to keep them and right now is expensive to afford.

Now color and genes dominate the pattern.
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Old 31-05-2008, 05:02 PM   #20
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silane : are you also doing this line ?
Yes, I can't miss out the fun. Currently, I have 2 such line, one is from a famous Japan breeder, one is developed locally. And soon 1 another line from another Japan breeder.
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